Discussion:
alt binaries.tv not showing all files using the NNTPservers!!!!!!!
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fan55
2008-09-24 02:08:03 UTC
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I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.

Please Help.
lazarus0
2008-09-24 02:56:32 UTC
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Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
I've been reading about some issues lately with the
news.us.easynews.com servers (and it's variants, secure; proxy,
etc.). All three of the addresses you list are actually the same
server, just different ports.

See if you get the same results with the EU server. A number
times it has been suggested to try the news.eu.easynews.com
servers (and it's variants, secure; proxy, etc.) in the meantime
until the problems are ironed out. If you have no problems with
the EU servers, then they're confined to the one server.
fan55
2008-09-24 03:06:17 UTC
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Post by lazarus0
Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
I've been reading about some issues lately with the
news.us.easynews.com servers (and it's variants, secure; proxy,
etc.). All three of the addresses you list are actually the same
server, just different ports.
See if you get the same results with the EU server. A number
times it has been suggested to try the news.eu.easynews.com
servers (and it's variants, secure; proxy, etc.) in the meantime
until the problems are ironed out. If you have no problems with
the EU servers, then they're confined to the one server.
I just tried the news.eu.easynews.com server and it is doing the
same thing. My guess is it will do the same on all it's variants
also. But I will give it a try.

Maybe they will get it fixed soon. I hate having to get things
through HTTP because it is so much slower.
HEMI-Powered
2008-09-24 11:07:43 UTC
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lazarus0 added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
Post by lazarus0
Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
I've been reading about some issues lately with the
news.us.easynews.com servers (and it's variants, secure; proxy,
etc.). All three of the addresses you list are actually the same
server, just different ports.
See if you get the same results with the EU server. A number
times it has been suggested to try the news.eu.easynews.com
servers (and it's variants, secure; proxy, etc.) in the meantime
until the problems are ironed out. If you have no problems with
the EU servers, then they're confined to the one server.
I have a number of subscribed NGs that show little if any activity
when I refresh headers in Xnews yet there really have been new
posts, sometimes thousands of parts. They can be recovered by
forcing the loading of old headers. However, talking about anything
even as obvious as the OP did here may be a prelude to a Bamf! so
I'm not going to do a Sgt. Schultz "I see nothing!".
--
HP, aka Jerry

"Don't say 'can't' when you really mean 'won't'"
lazarus0
2008-09-24 15:48:21 UTC
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Post by HEMI-Powered
lazarus0 added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
I have a number of subscribed NGs that show little if any activity
when I refresh headers in Xnews yet there really have been new
posts, sometimes thousands of parts. They can be recovered by
forcing the loading of old headers. However, talking about anything
even as obvious as the OP did here may be a prelude to a Bamf! so
I'm not going to do a Sgt. Schultz "I see nothing!".
Shouldn't be any prelude as he only named a particular group,
alt.binaries.tv. That's a very busy group to have no new posts show up.
In fact, I tried to only grab the new headers for that one last night
and it said there were over 25,000,000. But, since he's only looking
for specific files that seem to be missing on NNTP, I didn't see any
reason to grab all of them.
HEMI-Powered
2008-09-24 16:32:34 UTC
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lazarus0 added these comments in the current discussion du jour
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Post by lazarus0
Post by HEMI-Powered
I have a number of subscribed NGs that show little if any
activity when I refresh headers in Xnews yet there really have
been new posts, sometimes thousands of parts. They can be
recovered by forcing the loading of old headers. However,
talking about anything even as obvious as the OP did here may
be a prelude to a Bamf! so I'm not going to do a Sgt. Schultz
"I see nothing!".
Shouldn't be any prelude as he only named a particular group,
alt.binaries.tv. That's a very busy group to have no new posts
show up. In fact, I tried to only grab the new headers for
that one last night and it said there were over 25,000,000.
But, since he's only looking for specific files that seem to
be missing on NNTP, I didn't see any reason to grab all of
them.
Well, you and the OP can talk about whatever you like but I will
not mention ANY NG where there is even the slightest possibility
that EN will assume I'm asking about Copyrighted material and smite
me for a TOS/AUP violation. e.g., I can't tell necessarily from the
name of an innocuous NG name with an final 2 letters that mean
"television" and know if it shows commercial stuff, public domain,
stuff, or what. Can you?

As I said earlier, I have a number of NGs that I know are active,
but not 25,000,000 - maybe only 1,000-10,000 - but the names might
envoke a response and I honestly can't tell myself what content has
been placed in the public domain vs. what may have been posted by
someone illegally.
--
HP, aka Jerry

"Don't say 'can't' when you really mean 'won't'"
fan55
2008-09-24 17:09:55 UTC
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Post by HEMI-Powered
lazarus0 added these comments in the current discussion du jour
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Post by lazarus0
Post by HEMI-Powered
I have a number of subscribed NGs that show little if any
activity when I refresh headers in Xnews yet there really have
been new posts, sometimes thousands of parts. They can be
recovered by forcing the loading of old headers. However,
talking about anything even as obvious as the OP did here may
be a prelude to a Bamf! so I'm not going to do a Sgt. Schultz
"I see nothing!".
Shouldn't be any prelude as he only named a particular group,
alt.binaries.tv. That's a very busy group to have no new posts
show up. In fact, I tried to only grab the new headers for
that one last night and it said there were over 25,000,000.
But, since he's only looking for specific files that seem to
be missing on NNTP, I didn't see any reason to grab all of
them.
Well, you and the OP can talk about whatever you like but I will
not mention ANY NG where there is even the slightest possibility
that EN will assume I'm asking about Copyrighted material and smite
me for a TOS/AUP violation. e.g., I can't tell necessarily from the
name of an innocuous NG name with an final 2 letters that mean
"television" and know if it shows commercial stuff, public domain,
stuff, or what. Can you?
As I said earlier, I have a number of NGs that I know are active,
but not 25,000,000 - maybe only 1,000-10,000 - but the names might
envoke a response and I honestly can't tell myself what content has
been placed in the public domain vs. what may have been posted by
someone illegally.
--
HP, aka Jerry
"Don't say 'can't' when you really mean 'won't'"
All I was pointing out is the NNTP servers are not not showing all the files
that the HTTP server are showing I used the above as an example but it is
happing on a lot of the NG's.
lazarus0
2008-09-25 00:11:31 UTC
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Post by HEMI-Powered
Well, you and the OP can talk about whatever you like but I will
not mention ANY NG where there is even the slightest possibility
that EN will assume I'm asking about Copyrighted material and smite
me for a TOS/AUP violation. e.g., I can't tell necessarily from the
name of an innocuous NG name with an final 2 letters that mean
"television" and know if it shows commercial stuff, public domain,
stuff, or what. Can you?
As I said earlier, I have a number of NGs that I know are active,
but not 25,000,000 - maybe only 1,000-10,000 - but the names might
envoke a response and I honestly can't tell myself what content has
been placed in the public domain vs. what may have been posted by
someone illegally.
First, it's already been posted in here by management that simply naming a
newsgroup is not a copyright violation (I wonder about the more specific ones
where the name of the NG has copyrighted material in the name). Only the naming of
the material or making actual requests for the material fall into that category.

Second, I wasn't saying that there were 25,000,000 NGs; I said there were over
25,000,000 new headers in THAT particular NG.

Third, you sound like you're getting a little paranoid. Technically ALL
newsgroups could fall into the category you mentioned considering what spammers
are flooding them with.
HEMI-Powered
2008-09-25 06:22:19 UTC
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Post by lazarus0
Post by HEMI-Powered
As I said earlier, I have a number of NGs that I know are
active, but not 25,000,000 - maybe only 1,000-10,000 - but
the names might envoke a response and I honestly can't tell
myself what content has been placed in the public domain vs.
what may have been posted by someone illegally.
First, it's already been posted in here by management that
simply naming a newsgroup is not a copyright violation (I
wonder about the more specific ones where the name of the NG
has copyrighted material in the name). Only the naming of the
material or making actual requests for the material fall into
that category.
Second, I wasn't saying that there were 25,000,000 NGs; I said
there were over 25,000,000 new headers in THAT particular NG.
Third, you sound like you're getting a little paranoid.
Technically ALL newsgroups could fall into the category you
mentioned considering what spammers are flooding them with.
I don't believe #1 because the naming of a great number of NGs
specifically may well tip off their likely content under the
broad definitions in item 4. of the TOS/AUP. And, a quick check
would easily reveal that the only likely outcome would be to
download content in violation of the rules. It's interesting to
me how people who defend EN tend to want to have it both ways.
Well, you can't.

As to paranoid, no, just increasingly ticked off at what I
perceive as uncompetitive performance, lack of genuine effort by
support, and an overly hair trigger for Bamf's. I understand -
but don't like - why EN puts a positive spin on these things.
What I don't understand is why nobody at EN is at all worried
about customers complaining on issues that are never resolved
and/or are simply blown off on the pretense that MIDs or some
other thing aren't supplied by the customer.

I said once some time ago that by definition ALL content is
copyrighted although only some is commercially copyrighted with
the requisite formal application so infringement action can take
place, thus theoretically, mentioning almost all of the binary
content would be a TOS/AUP violation. But, to do so would be
tantamount to self-destruction of the EN customer base.

If anyone can fully predict exactly how EN would interpret
violations from the extremely unlikely to the very obvious, I've
never seen it in my time here. Thus, your comment in parens of #1
above is precisely what I'm talking about.
--
HP, aka Jerry

"Don't say 'can't' when you really mean 'won't'"
Uncle Jesse
2008-09-24 17:03:55 UTC
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Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
Do you have a sample Message-ID from a post that is on the web, but
not the NNTP?

Are these newly posted files or old files? Keep in mind that the
binary retention for the NNTP is about 100 days, whereas the web is
200 days for Plus and Big Gig users.

If you're a classic user, the retention should be about the same for
web vs. NNTP.

- Uncle Jesse -

Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
fan55
2008-09-24 18:01:04 UTC
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Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
Do you have a sample Message-ID from a post that is on the web, but
not the NNTP?
Are these newly posted files or old files? Keep in mind that the
binary retention for the NNTP is about 100 days, whereas the web is
200 days for Plus and Big Gig users.
If you're a classic user, the retention should be about the same for
web vs. NNTP.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
I don't have a Message-ID I just noticed that there seem to be more post
on the HTTP server when I logged into Easynews and went to the new index
than there was when I use NNTP. These would be newer post in the last week
or so.
Uncle Jesse
2008-09-24 19:35:29 UTC
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Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
Do you have a sample Message-ID from a post that is on the web, but
not the NNTP?
Are these newly posted files or old files? Keep in mind that the
binary retention for the NNTP is about 100 days, whereas the web is
200 days for Plus and Big Gig users.
If you're a classic user, the retention should be about the same for
web vs. NNTP.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
I don't have a Message-ID I just noticed that there seem to be more post
on the HTTP server when I logged into Easynews and went to the new index
than there was when I use NNTP. These would be newer post in the last week
or so.
If you can provide a couple message-IDs, we can look into this.
Otherwise, a random perusal of some groups I've looked at do not
indicate anything out of the ordinary.

- Uncle Jesse -

Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
fan55
2008-09-24 19:47:06 UTC
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Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
Do you have a sample Message-ID from a post that is on the web, but
not the NNTP?
Are these newly posted files or old files? Keep in mind that the
binary retention for the NNTP is about 100 days, whereas the web is
200 days for Plus and Big Gig users.
If you're a classic user, the retention should be about the same for
web vs. NNTP.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
I don't have a Message-ID I just noticed that there seem to be more post
on the HTTP server when I logged into Easynews and went to the new index
than there was when I use NNTP. These would be newer post in the last week
or so.
If you can provide a couple message-IDs, we can look into this.
Otherwise, a random perusal of some groups I've looked at do not
indicate anything out of the ordinary.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Ok I went and got to that I know of the 1st one was posted this morning

message-id: <***@europe.news.astraweb.com>

and this one was posted on Sept. 20th

message-id: <***@europe.news.astraweb.com>
Uncle Jesse
2008-09-24 20:32:44 UTC
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Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
Do you have a sample Message-ID from a post that is on the web, but
not the NNTP?
Are these newly posted files or old files? Keep in mind that the
binary retention for the NNTP is about 100 days, whereas the web is
200 days for Plus and Big Gig users.
If you're a classic user, the retention should be about the same for
web vs. NNTP.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
I don't have a Message-ID I just noticed that there seem to be more post
on the HTTP server when I logged into Easynews and went to the new index
than there was when I use NNTP. These would be newer post in the last week
or so.
If you can provide a couple message-IDs, we can look into this.
Otherwise, a random perusal of some groups I've looked at do not
indicate anything out of the ordinary.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Ok I went and got to that I know of the 1st one was posted this morning
and this one was posted on Sept. 20th
I just pulled up both posts in alt.binaries.tv using the US beta
servers. When you grab headers using Newsbin Pro, are you grabbing
all headers or just a certain range?

I initially grabbed the last 1.5 million headers in alt.binaries.tv
and those posts were both older than that. I'm able to grab these via
Agent, Xnews and by telnet'ing in.

- Uncle Jesse -

Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
fan55
2008-09-25 02:43:35 UTC
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Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
Do you have a sample Message-ID from a post that is on the web, but
not the NNTP?
Are these newly posted files or old files? Keep in mind that the
binary retention for the NNTP is about 100 days, whereas the web is
200 days for Plus and Big Gig users.
If you're a classic user, the retention should be about the same for
web vs. NNTP.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
I don't have a Message-ID I just noticed that there seem to be more post
on the HTTP server when I logged into Easynews and went to the new index
than there was when I use NNTP. These would be newer post in the last week
or so.
If you can provide a couple message-IDs, we can look into this.
Otherwise, a random perusal of some groups I've looked at do not
indicate anything out of the ordinary.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Ok I went and got to that I know of the 1st one was posted this morning
and this one was posted on Sept. 20th
I just pulled up both posts in alt.binaries.tv using the US beta
servers. When you grab headers using Newsbin Pro, are you grabbing
all headers or just a certain range?
I initially grabbed the last 1.5 million headers in alt.binaries.tv
and those posts were both older than that. I'm able to grab these via
Agent, Xnews and by telnet'ing in.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Well I just downloaded all headers (over 25 million took over 4 hours) and the examples I
posted earlier still did not show up. I am using the news.us.easynews.com. Could it be the
route my connection is taking to get to easynews?
Uncle Jesse
2008-09-25 18:35:38 UTC
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Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
Do you have a sample Message-ID from a post that is on the web, but
not the NNTP?
Are these newly posted files or old files? Keep in mind that the
binary retention for the NNTP is about 100 days, whereas the web is
200 days for Plus and Big Gig users.
If you're a classic user, the retention should be about the same for
web vs. NNTP.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
I don't have a Message-ID I just noticed that there seem to be more post
on the HTTP server when I logged into Easynews and went to the new index
than there was when I use NNTP. These would be newer post in the last week
or so.
If you can provide a couple message-IDs, we can look into this.
Otherwise, a random perusal of some groups I've looked at do not
indicate anything out of the ordinary.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Ok I went and got to that I know of the 1st one was posted this morning
and this one was posted on Sept. 20th
I just pulled up both posts in alt.binaries.tv using the US beta
servers. When you grab headers using Newsbin Pro, are you grabbing
all headers or just a certain range?
I initially grabbed the last 1.5 million headers in alt.binaries.tv
and those posts were both older than that. I'm able to grab these via
Agent, Xnews and by telnet'ing in.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Well I just downloaded all headers (over 25 million took over 4 hours) and the examples I
posted earlier still did not show up. I am using the news.us.easynews.com. Could it be the
route my connection is taking to get to easynews?
The route wouldn't cause the posts to not show up. Please do this
test for me. Telnet into Easynews and see if you can pull the header
information. You just need to respond as to whether or not you can
get the info...a simple yes or no.

Open your command prompt and follow these instructions:

Type the following:
1) telnet news.us.easynews.com 119
2) authinfo user <your username>
3) authinfo pass <your password>
4) group alt.binaries.tv
5) head <***@europe.news.astraweb.com>
6) head <***@europe.news.astraweb.com>

You should see header info.

If you do, something is up with your newsreader as the article is
available. It could be filter that is blocking these posts from being
viewable, corruption with your newsreader, etc. We can go into this
more once you can verify whether or not you can see the header.

- Uncle Jesse -

Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
lazarus0
2008-09-25 20:14:26 UTC
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Post by Uncle Jesse
1) telnet news.us.easynews.com 119
2) authinfo user <your username>
3) authinfo pass <your password>
4) group alt.binaries.tv
You should see header info.
If you do, something is up with your newsreader as the article is
available. It could be filter that is blocking these posts from being
viewable, corruption with your newsreader, etc. We can go into this
more once you can verify whether or not you can see the header.
That's funny. I can find the articles using AGENT, but using Telnet, it's telling me they don't
exist :) Just the reverse of the OP :) Ah, I see the problem. If I copy and paste the commands, it
accepts them, but if I type them in, I can't even login now :) Yup headers are there. Neat trick;
I had forgotten about telnet since I haven't used it quite a while :)
fan55
2008-09-25 20:22:18 UTC
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Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
Do you have a sample Message-ID from a post that is on the web, but
not the NNTP?
Are these newly posted files or old files? Keep in mind that the
binary retention for the NNTP is about 100 days, whereas the web is
200 days for Plus and Big Gig users.
If you're a classic user, the retention should be about the same for
web vs. NNTP.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
I don't have a Message-ID I just noticed that there seem to be more post
on the HTTP server when I logged into Easynews and went to the new index
than there was when I use NNTP. These would be newer post in the last week
or so.
If you can provide a couple message-IDs, we can look into this.
Otherwise, a random perusal of some groups I've looked at do not
indicate anything out of the ordinary.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Ok I went and got to that I know of the 1st one was posted this morning
and this one was posted on Sept. 20th
I just pulled up both posts in alt.binaries.tv using the US beta
servers. When you grab headers using Newsbin Pro, are you grabbing
all headers or just a certain range?
I initially grabbed the last 1.5 million headers in alt.binaries.tv
and those posts were both older than that. I'm able to grab these via
Agent, Xnews and by telnet'ing in.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Well I just downloaded all headers (over 25 million took over 4 hours) and the examples I
posted earlier still did not show up. I am using the news.us.easynews.com. Could it be the
route my connection is taking to get to easynews?
The route wouldn't cause the posts to not show up. Please do this
test for me. Telnet into Easynews and see if you can pull the header
information. You just need to respond as to whether or not you can
get the info...a simple yes or no.
1) telnet news.us.easynews.com 119
2) authinfo user <your username>
3) authinfo pass <your password>
4) group alt.binaries.tv
You should see header info.
If you do, something is up with your newsreader as the article is
available. It could be filter that is blocking these posts from being
viewable, corruption with your newsreader, etc. We can go into this
more once you can verify whether or not you can see the header.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Ok I will give this a try when I get home tonight.
fan55
2008-09-25 23:25:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
Do you have a sample Message-ID from a post that is on the web, but
not the NNTP?
Are these newly posted files or old files? Keep in mind that the
binary retention for the NNTP is about 100 days, whereas the web is
200 days for Plus and Big Gig users.
If you're a classic user, the retention should be about the same for
web vs. NNTP.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
I don't have a Message-ID I just noticed that there seem to be more post
on the HTTP server when I logged into Easynews and went to the new index
than there was when I use NNTP. These would be newer post in the last week
or so.
If you can provide a couple message-IDs, we can look into this.
Otherwise, a random perusal of some groups I've looked at do not
indicate anything out of the ordinary.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Ok I went and got to that I know of the 1st one was posted this morning
and this one was posted on Sept. 20th
I just pulled up both posts in alt.binaries.tv using the US beta
servers. When you grab headers using Newsbin Pro, are you grabbing
all headers or just a certain range?
I initially grabbed the last 1.5 million headers in alt.binaries.tv
and those posts were both older than that. I'm able to grab these via
Agent, Xnews and by telnet'ing in.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Well I just downloaded all headers (over 25 million took over 4 hours) and the examples I
posted earlier still did not show up. I am using the news.us.easynews.com. Could it be the
route my connection is taking to get to easynews?
The route wouldn't cause the posts to not show up. Please do this
test for me. Telnet into Easynews and see if you can pull the header
information. You just need to respond as to whether or not you can
get the info...a simple yes or no.
1) telnet news.us.easynews.com 119
2) authinfo user <your username>
3) authinfo pass <your password>
4) group alt.binaries.tv
You should see header info.
If you do, something is up with your newsreader as the article is
available. It could be filter that is blocking these posts from being
viewable, corruption with your newsreader, etc. We can go into this
more once you can verify whether or not you can see the header.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
YES
Uncle Jesse
2008-09-25 23:31:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
Do you have a sample Message-ID from a post that is on the web, but
not the NNTP?
Are these newly posted files or old files? Keep in mind that the
binary retention for the NNTP is about 100 days, whereas the web is
200 days for Plus and Big Gig users.
If you're a classic user, the retention should be about the same for
web vs. NNTP.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
I don't have a Message-ID I just noticed that there seem to be more post
on the HTTP server when I logged into Easynews and went to the new index
than there was when I use NNTP. These would be newer post in the last week
or so.
If you can provide a couple message-IDs, we can look into this.
Otherwise, a random perusal of some groups I've looked at do not
indicate anything out of the ordinary.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Ok I went and got to that I know of the 1st one was posted this morning
and this one was posted on Sept. 20th
I just pulled up both posts in alt.binaries.tv using the US beta
servers. When you grab headers using Newsbin Pro, are you grabbing
all headers or just a certain range?
I initially grabbed the last 1.5 million headers in alt.binaries.tv
and those posts were both older than that. I'm able to grab these via
Agent, Xnews and by telnet'ing in.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Well I just downloaded all headers (over 25 million took over 4 hours) and the examples I
posted earlier still did not show up. I am using the news.us.easynews.com. Could it be the
route my connection is taking to get to easynews?
The route wouldn't cause the posts to not show up. Please do this
test for me. Telnet into Easynews and see if you can pull the header
information. You just need to respond as to whether or not you can
get the info...a simple yes or no.
1) telnet news.us.easynews.com 119
2) authinfo user <your username>
3) authinfo pass <your password>
4) group alt.binaries.tv
You should see header info.
If you do, something is up with your newsreader as the article is
available. It could be filter that is blocking these posts from being
viewable, corruption with your newsreader, etc. We can go into this
more once you can verify whether or not you can see the header.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
YES
Ok cool. We know you can get to the files now and they're there. Now
we need to figure out what's up with Newsbin. Are you noticing if the
posts may be filtered? Maybe the poster or something? Have you
checked your filters to see if anything is obvious there? Have you
tried purging the group and redownloading the recent headers. You may
not want to do all the millions and wait 4 hours.

I just got to those posts via my version of Newsbin Pro.

- Uncle Jesse -

Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
fan55
2008-09-26 00:17:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
Do you have a sample Message-ID from a post that is on the web, but
not the NNTP?
Are these newly posted files or old files? Keep in mind that the
binary retention for the NNTP is about 100 days, whereas the web is
200 days for Plus and Big Gig users.
If you're a classic user, the retention should be about the same for
web vs. NNTP.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
I don't have a Message-ID I just noticed that there seem to be more post
on the HTTP server when I logged into Easynews and went to the new index
than there was when I use NNTP. These would be newer post in the last week
or so.
If you can provide a couple message-IDs, we can look into this.
Otherwise, a random perusal of some groups I've looked at do not
indicate anything out of the ordinary.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Ok I went and got to that I know of the 1st one was posted this morning
and this one was posted on Sept. 20th
I just pulled up both posts in alt.binaries.tv using the US beta
servers. When you grab headers using Newsbin Pro, are you grabbing
all headers or just a certain range?
I initially grabbed the last 1.5 million headers in alt.binaries.tv
and those posts were both older than that. I'm able to grab these via
Agent, Xnews and by telnet'ing in.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Well I just downloaded all headers (over 25 million took over 4 hours) and the examples I
posted earlier still did not show up. I am using the news.us.easynews.com. Could it be the
route my connection is taking to get to easynews?
The route wouldn't cause the posts to not show up. Please do this
test for me. Telnet into Easynews and see if you can pull the header
information. You just need to respond as to whether or not you can
get the info...a simple yes or no.
1) telnet news.us.easynews.com 119
2) authinfo user <your username>
3) authinfo pass <your password>
4) group alt.binaries.tv
You should see header info.
If you do, something is up with your newsreader as the article is
available. It could be filter that is blocking these posts from being
viewable, corruption with your newsreader, etc. We can go into this
more once you can verify whether or not you can see the header.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
YES
Ok cool. We know you can get to the files now and they're there. Now
we need to figure out what's up with Newsbin. Are you noticing if the
posts may be filtered? Maybe the poster or something? Have you
checked your filters to see if anything is obvious there? Have you
tried purging the group and redownloading the recent headers. You may
not want to do all the millions and wait 4 hours.
I just got to those posts via my version of Newsbin Pro.
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
I downloaded the newest version last night. I uninstalled the old one and installed the new one.
I have no filters on at all. The settings are default. The crazy thing is it is doing it on 3
different computers. I have also tried agent and xnews and they are doing the samething.
Uncle Jesse
2008-09-26 00:55:39 UTC
Permalink
<...snip...>
Post by fan55
I downloaded the newest version last night. I uninstalled the old one and installed the new one.
I have no filters on at all. The settings are default. The crazy thing is it is doing it on 3
different computers. I have also tried agent and xnews and they are doing the samething.
We do know that the files are there since you can telnet and grab the
headers. Now we need to figure out why you can't see them in any
newsreader you use (again, I can grab those same posts in all 3
versions I have of the newsreaders mentioned).

When looking at these groups, do you notice the other posts from the
same poster or all posts/parts missing?

- Uncle Jesse -

Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
fan55
2008-09-26 05:58:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Uncle Jesse
<...snip...>
Post by fan55
I downloaded the newest version last night. I uninstalled the old one and installed the new one.
I have no filters on at all. The settings are default. The crazy thing is it is doing it on 3
different computers. I have also tried agent and xnews and they are doing the samething.
We do know that the files are there since you can telnet and grab the
headers. Now we need to figure out why you can't see them in any
newsreader you use (again, I can grab those same posts in all 3
versions I have of the newsreaders mentioned).
When looking at these groups, do you notice the other posts from the
same poster or all posts/parts missing?
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Some of his shows up and some don't it seems to be random. I am starting to think the it may be
Time Warner Cable.
slack3r
2008-09-26 08:08:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by fan55
Post by Uncle Jesse
<...snip...>
Post by fan55
I downloaded the newest version last night. I uninstalled the old one and installed the new one.
I have no filters on at all. The settings are default. The crazy thing is it is doing it on 3
different computers. I have also tried agent and xnews and they are doing the samething.
We do know that the files are there since you can telnet and grab the
headers. Now we need to figure out why you can't see them in any
newsreader you use (again, I can grab those same posts in all 3
versions I have of the newsreaders mentioned).
When looking at these groups, do you notice the other posts from the
same poster or all posts/parts missing?
- Uncle Jesse -
Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse
Some of his shows up and some don't it seems to be random. I am starting to think the it may be
Time Warner Cable.
OK, I just checked this out using Agent, and I can confirm that those files do NOT show up when
retrieving headers from secure.news.us.easynews.com. I pulled headers going back to 9/21. The
message-id <***@europe.news.astraweb.com> should show up on 9/23 at 6:48 PDT. I
tried sorting by date and by subject and could not find it. Then I opened the message-id
directly in Agent and it inserted the post where it should have appeared. So, the file is there,
but the server is not including it in the headers for some reason.

Upon looking closer, it seems that none of the files from that poster appear in the headers.
Global search tells me there should be about 12,000 files in the last 4 days, but Agent shows me
none of them.
valkyrie
2008-09-26 09:42:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by slack3r
OK, I just checked this out using Agent, and I can confirm that those
files do NOT show up when
retrieving headers from secure.news.us.easynews.com. I pulled headers
going back to 9/21. The
on 9/23 at 6:48 PDT. I
tried sorting by date and by subject and could not find it. Then I opened the message-id
directly in Agent and it inserted the post where it should have
appeared. So, the file is there,
but the server is not including it in the headers for some reason.
Upon looking closer, it seems that none of the files from that poster appear in the headers.
Global search tells me there should be about 12,000 files in the last 4
days, but Agent shows me
none of them.
In other words, it seems like the articles are there, but the xover/headers
data is broken? (the "head" NNTP command Uncle Jessie listed works on
articles, not on xover and selecting a group AFAIK is irrelevant for
head/article/body calls using Message-IDs; it's only relevant for
head/article/body calls using article numbers...)

Wait. I stand corrected. Technically the files _aren't_ posted to
alt.binaries.tv .
From one of the posted Message-IDs:

Newsgroups: alt.binaries.multimedia, alt.binaries.tv

The file got posted to " alt.binaries.tv" , not to "alt.binaries.tv"
(note the space) AKA: the poster or his/her posting program messed up.
If the files show up on the webserver, I guess that means the webserver
eats that space that shouldn't be there...
The question then becomes: how many cases of "this violates the specs/RFC"
do you want to build workarounds for in the newsserver software?
IMNSHO, the best solution would be for someone to contact the poster
and tell him/her to fix his/her damn posts from now on/switch to another
posting program. (IIRC the 0.01 version of that Newsmangler client created
broken yEnc encoding, so I wouldn't be surprised if this 0.02 version used
here forgets to do integrity checks on the Newsgroups: header. :( )
Paul Murray
2008-09-26 12:21:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by valkyrie
Wait. I stand corrected. Technically the files _aren't_ posted to
alt.binaries.tv .
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.multimedia, alt.binaries.tv
The file got posted to " alt.binaries.tv" , not to "alt.binaries.tv"
(note the space) AKA: the poster or his/her posting program messed up.
If the files show up on the webserver, I guess that means the webserver
eats that space that shouldn't be there...
The question then becomes: how many cases of "this violates the specs/RFC"
do you want to build workarounds for in the newsserver software?
IMNSHO, the best solution would be for someone to contact the poster
and tell him/her to fix his/her damn posts from now on/switch to another
posting program. (IIRC the 0.01 version of that Newsmangler client created
broken yEnc encoding, so I wouldn't be surprised if this 0.02 version used
here forgets to do integrity checks on the Newsgroups: header. :( )
I can't see anything in either 850 or 1036 which prohibits spaces in the
newsgroups header.
slack3r
2008-09-26 01:30:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by fan55
Post by fan55
Ok I went and got to that I know of the 1st one was posted this morning
and this one was posted on Sept. 20th
I downloaded the newest version last night. I uninstalled the old one and installed the new one.
I have no filters on at all. The settings are default. The crazy thing is it is doing it on 3
different computers. I have also tried agent and xnews and they are doing the samething.
Looks like both of those were posted to two different groups. Is it possible that you are
filtering crossposts?
lazarus0
2008-09-25 20:00:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by fan55
Ok I went and got to that I know of the 1st one was posted this morning
and this one was posted on Sept. 20th
Hmmm, using AGENT and the news.us.easynews.com server, I found and retrieved both of
those posts just fine. I'll check with news.easynews.com to see what's up. Okay, I
tried it with Agent using news.easynews.com and it also found it and retrieved it, so
both files are definitely on the servers...I know you don't want to hear this, but
there has to be something on your end causing the problem. Sorry
HEMI-Powered
2008-09-24 22:49:45 UTC
Permalink
Uncle Jesse added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...
Post by Uncle Jesse
If you can provide a couple message-IDs, we can look into
this. Otherwise, a random perusal of some groups I've looked
at do not indicate anything out of the ordinary.
UJ, this is a pretty tiresome excuse. I can demonstrate a dozen NGs
that exhibit this failure on EN where the very same groups do not
show a failure to update on either Supernews or Giganews. If your
admins cannot replicate this, they aren't trying hard enough. I'm
not going to report any more of this myself, I'm just commenting
here. EN is all hung up on MIDs, you need to develop some manual or
automatic test suites and do some background testing of your own. I
don't know quite what to do myself, I'm still mulling it over, but
if you can't improve reliability, including those pesky 412s that
many people other than EN has seen, this, delays in posting,
unupdated NGs, and the like, maybe I need to rethink my plans.

Now, go back to work on the OP's problem, they've actually
complained, I'm just comiserating some.
--
HP, aka Jerry

"Don't say 'can't' when you really mean 'won't'"
waputik
2008-09-26 03:22:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
I had the same problem with missing posts corresponding to
the same MID, e.g. ***@europe.news.astraweb.com

Changing the server address to news.easynews.com (without the
.us; see the FAQ for other addresses and ports), and
unsubscribing and resubscribing to the affected groups
resulted in all messages showing up.
sadistsmith
2008-09-26 03:47:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
I just wanted to throw in my 2¢

I know that there are more than 4 mil posts total in
alt.binary.dvd

I refresh the group in Agent and tell it to get all headers
and it says retrieving 3,850,343 at 8:30 this morning. I
just tried it again @ 8:30pm and Agent says retrieving
~7,511,978 headers. Kinda a bummer as on the web interface,
I can see a group of files that I want that are 9 days old &
have more segments missing than the pars can recover. I was
hoping to find them in Agent and download the corrupt files
as the web interface doesn't show them, but Agent does.
Anyway, the 4 mil headers only went back a week. I'm
downloading the 7.5 mil headers now to see how much further
back it goes.

As I said, just my 2¢
valkyrie
2008-09-26 09:16:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by sadistsmith
I just wanted to throw in my 2¢
I know that there are more than 4 mil posts total in
alt.binary.dvd
I refresh the group in Agent and tell it to get all headers
and it says retrieving 3,850,343 at 8:30 this morning. I
~7,511,978 headers. Kinda a bummer as on the web interface,
I can see a group of files that I want that are 9 days old &
have more segments missing than the pars can recover. I was
hoping to find them in Agent and download the corrupt files
as the web interface doesn't show them, but Agent does.
Anyway, the 4 mil headers only went back a week. I'm
downloading the 7.5 mil headers now to see how much further
back it goes.
As a (temporary) workaround, you could try adding news.eu.easynews.com and/or
news.easynews.com in your newsreader...
valkyrie
2008-09-26 09:50:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by valkyrie
Post by sadistsmith
I just wanted to throw in my 2¢
I know that there are more than 4 mil posts total in
alt.binary.dvd
I refresh the group in Agent and tell it to get all headers
and it says retrieving 3,850,343 at 8:30 this morning. I
~7,511,978 headers. Kinda a bummer as on the web interface,
I can see a group of files that I want that are 9 days old &
have more segments missing than the pars can recover. I was
hoping to find them in Agent and download the corrupt files
as the web interface doesn't show them, but Agent does.
Anyway, the 4 mil headers only went back a week. I'm
downloading the 7.5 mil headers now to see how much further
back it goes.
As a (temporary) workaround, you could try adding news.eu.easynews.com and/or
news.easynews.com in your newsreader...
Change of advise: if this is the same problem as the alt.binaries.tv
problem (erronious space in the Newsgroups: header) : then look up
the Newsgroups: line on the webinterface (header link) and use,
in the case of that poster/posting program, the _first_ newsgroup listed
there as newsgroup to retrieve from at the newsserver.
Any newsgroup that has a space between it and the comma before/after it will
likely not work, since that will be interpreted as the space being part
of the newsgroup name!
Uncle Jesse
2008-09-27 01:49:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by fan55
I use Newsbin Pro and a lot of files are not showing up
using NNTP but if I go to the easynews index on the wepage
the file I am looking for is there. This has been happening
a lot lately. I have tried
news.us.easynews.com,secure.news.us.easynews.com and
proxy.news.us.easynews.com and it does the same thing.
Please Help.
As brought up here, the problem seems to originate from the poster's
software. The added space inbetween the cross-posted groups appears
to be the culprit. I have also verified that I can telnet into the
a.b.tv and pull the head and can get the post by clicking on the MID
in Agent, but loading the headers in Agent does not display the
headers.

The headers do appear in a.b.multimedia, though. The admins have
alerted to this and working some things. However, a properly posted
article would solve this as well.

- Uncle Jesse -

Please let me know how I'm doing at
https://secure.members.easynews.com/feedback/?a=Uncle+Jesse

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